Review of People of the Secret
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Update: we have no real data here, and it is easy to confuse the ‘demiurgic powers’ and the ‘hidden directorarate’. I am very skeptical about the latter and have misjudged, I think, their place in the creation/onset of religions. I think I should amend my statements to note that the demiurgic powers should be a part of the onset of religions in the mideonic periods.
Who belongs to the hidden directorate? People like Gurdjieff? He made a total mess of what he did. None of the gurus and spiritual teachers could grasp the rise of modernity. And the book in question here shows that the sufis frittered away their energy in secondary occult subjects, alchemy, freemasonry (rosicrucianism), and the like. And these subjects are highly toxic and difficult to deal with because they are esoteric junk. These are precisely the results of the ‘hidden directorate’, I suspect. The onset of christianity is thus probably the result of two levels, a general format emerging from the Axial Age, from the demiurgic powers, and a series of more specific efforts by various planetary spiritual persons (consider the legend of the magi, useless, but significant), who completely fucked up the whole task, which nonetheless came about. The basic realization was prepared from the start in the Axial period, and the Old/New Testaments sense this with a lot of (dubious) claims they were foretold. What was ‘foretold’ was simply a very generalized format with few specifics…
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I can’t give five starts to a book like this, and it may contain many errors, but it is worth pointing to the reference to J.G.Bennett without endorsing the whole book.
I think Bennett (connected to sufis, and the book is an Octagon print, from Idries Shah zone) almost got it right. Readers should check out my World History and the Eonic Effect:
We must distinguish three or more different things, and they are all in Bennett, but not in the right analysis:
1. demiurgic powers
2. a hidden directorate
3. the cascade of cosmic laws as in Bennett with _!_biospheres in that sequence of levels.
4. Ordinary men, buddhas, and perhaps men with ‘permanent I’, whatever that is.
WHEE gives some insight into the wrong analysis of epochs in Bennett’s The Dramatic Universe. It contains its own model, which distinguishes the action of the Axial Age, and the onset of most religions.
Many students get evolution and demiurgic powers confused. Demiurgic powers probably don’t have the energy resources to terraform planets or do operations on a global scale: this springs from biosphere (GAIA!). Demiurgic powers can move inside this context like men in a factory but the larger system is different. This is why noone can figure out the evolution of religion, civilization and man, and the hopeless confusions of ‘design arguments’. The Axial Age shows the emergence of religion in a larger context of civilization: this is biospheric with demiurgic co-participation. But religions can arise at any time: men are free to create them. But if they arise in the transition cycle of age periods they ofen prosper better. But the modern new age throws a curve ball: our larger system doesn’t distinguish sacred and secular: note the parallel Axial Age Greece. This biospheric level seems cyclic as Bennett noted and this suggests it is hypermechanical, while demiurgic beings have ‘will’ of some kind (although in Bennett biospheres have ‘will’ in a different sense, 24 laws?). And this leaves the founders like buddha in an ambiguous context. The sequence of age periods is fixed: religions can arise in their transitions like Hinayana or Israelitism or they can arise in the middle periods like Mahayana, Christianity, Islam. It is important to study the difference because two sets of operations are different.
Religions are probably delegated to the hidden directorate, or figures like Gautama, who can initiate their starting points, while their actual construction sequence ends in the hands of men. This is why the Old Testament seems so smart and primitive at the same time. It clearly distinguishes ‘god’ and ‘elohim’ btw…
This can be confusing, the analysis of World History and the Eonic Effect can throw for loop and the Axial Age in India is more complex than just buddhism. Buddhism appears just at the boundary of the Axial period, like the ‘religion’ appearing with the Israelites after ca. 600 BCE.
These three distinctions (or four) go a long way to explaining the confusion over religion, civilization, secularism, etc… We have bioshpere, demiurgic powers, a hidden directorate, and buddhas who clearly did not see anything beyond their enlightenment, a very tricky situation. And then ordinary men. The Israelites were very smart and saw a higher power or the bioshpere where the buddha saw only a ‘turning of the wheel’, with a visit from the ‘god realm’ (???). The gestation of Christianity, Islam, Mahayana (outside of the Axial Age) are thus at best influenced by the hidden directorate, and then human agents, with the Jesus figure in between. Scott is close on many points but this analysis is filled with traps…His take on Islam and sufis is useful at a time when Islamophobes are rampant.The question of the hidden directorate is vexed. Just who are these beings and how do they relate to incarnation? The buddhas move beyond incarnation. There is a another category?? (the boddhissatwa perhaps being an artificial imitation). The emergence of Christianity was a complete mess, yet succeeded in spite of itself. This model may help. Being a part of the ‘hidden directorate’ raises as many questions as it answers.They must support themselves over many lives on the surface of a planet, not an easy thing to do. We have not facts here, so we should be wary.
Note that, and Bennett realized this, modernity is a new age. This confounds all traditionalists. But it is important to see that the progression of epochs is beyond the ‘sacred/secular’ distinction. A closer look shows the Reformation and buddhism reborn in spite of itself, just as Jainism was reborn in the Axial Age, but then giving way to buddhism.
We can see figures like Osho struggling in this context: his commune could foot the bill for a new era, as buddhism tides and then begins to recede…
Note: I am using other peoples’ terminology and can’t vouch for the foundations of Bennett’s system but I think mine is a better interpretation than theirs, but….it doesn’t follow I accept the cosmological conclusions of Bennett about biospheres. But people don’t quite know how to use his system (assuming it is valid…a big if)
This author doesn’t get entangled with Gurdjieff who has confused everyone. Bennett’s take is a hybrid with another source. Another discussion. I don’t know if demiurgic powers can communicate with humans: the scales are totally different.
The Axial interval in the Indic case
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I am asked to comment on the current Advaita movement.
I am not able to do that, it is too much to take in as yet…
but I read Dennis Waite’s tome to get my bearings here.
Instead of commenting let me put the question in context, that of my WHEE.
The Indian Axial Age, 900 BCE to 600 BCE is the interval in my model, not exactly the same as the Axial Age, is a tour de force of three things (or more). The transition moves through the classic legacy corrupted with Vedism and extracts the Upanishads and from there the Vedanta appears. This mysterious process then acts on the Jain legacy which is very ancient and the result is the world of Mahavir. And this leads to the third phase, the buddhist. Look first at the emergence of Israelitism: between 900 BCE and 600 BCE a whole new religious constellation emerges: the Old Testament starts to crystallize, the Prophets appear, then just around 600 BCE it is ready, almost. Then out of the blue Judah is destroyed and the ‘Israelites/Judahites’ are in Babylon and the Judaic corpus blends with the Zoroastrian. Then within a century they are back in ‘Israel’ and the religion emerges… Note how the period after 600 BCE is a realization phase.
The same is true in India: just after 600 BCE the buddhist legacy begins to undergo its realization and it is on its way. But there is a lot more there that leads up to this, and the conventional legacy is about to produce Vedanta’s larger realization and is also gestating further. The Indian tradition is thus confusing but the analysis of the macro model in WHEE is completely logical and makes sense of the data. The result goes in different directions, that of Vedanta into the realm of Advaita and much else…
The model produces this analysis without knowing anything about the content!
The Advaita world from Vedanta/Upanishads is almost primordial but it is corrupted by the Vedic legacy which is actually foreign to it. That’s the significance of buddhism: this mysterious process seems to wish to extract the core legacy from the confusing mixture by deleting the Vedic hybridizaition.
The new age movement is dead: the guru model is intrinsically against freedom, hence the fascist ambiguity…
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The relationship between a guru and a disciple is a classic combination that arose in antiquity, involved people who knew and trusted each other, and, by and large, ceased with the death of the guru. It was what it was: check the legacy literature before people like Anirvan arose (they were not free to write the books they wrote and adopted unreasonable masochist standards no guru every claimed, in public at least).
That no longer holds. In my case I was interacting with an ‘Osho field’ or a bogus impostor for many years, yet never a sannyasin. The attempt to become one failed, and yet the ‘osho field’ was if anything worse after that. The reason is obvious and resembles ‘rendition’: you are isolated in a situation where noone can check on your status, making torture, invultuation, and psychic murder very easy to get away with. In a global environment where people buy books by gurus with their photographs on the cover a bogus discipleship relationship can begin with any astral entity using that situation for its own benefit. The traditional guru situation wasn’t equipped for this, assuming it was ever equipped for anything.
People can approach teachers for information, counseling, guidance, to be applied as autonomous individuals on their own path, which they must perform on their own. People now are made to feel guilty for doing this. But an ambiguity arises between someone teaching another, and someone taking control of the will of another. Osho gave himself away here by talking about teachers and masters, in the context of Gurdjieff. That suggests, and experience confirms it, that Osho acts as a ‘master’ (which may or may not be the standard definition in common usage), that is an entity, alive, then astral, that assumes control of the will of not just disciples but of whomever it/he pleases, and assumes that entity has no right to say no, no right to be informed of the unconscious seizure of control, and no right to protest being cannibalized, invultuated, turned into a zombie, e.g. fascist zombie, etc…
I suspect this is what happened to the nazis created by buddhists.
I see no indication the Osho entity, now astral, is any different. It seems to be trying to create a new tradition, but now we see that involves huge sacrifices from those who did not realize their surrender was their last act as autonomous spirits. And one problem there is that enlightenment ceases to be possible, save perhaps as a zombie theatre by the ‘guru entity’ spirit able to control and retrieve the energy involved in the fake enlightenment.
I cannot rule out that entirely exterior spirits (the two, three…way system of murder) cannot assume the appearance of the dead guru and carry out impostor activities. I have to wonder if most religion is not such activity, granting that religions like xtianity have at least some ability to police their fields over time, but leaving an immense gray area…who can survey a field of a billion people?
I think the whole question of gurus is over at this point. Sufis and dead spirits like Gurdjieff (and those are merely those I know about) are making the whole game dangerous. The simple solution is to be a witness to psychological invasion without succumbing to suggestibility. Celebrities are completely misleading here. They often get help to keep up appearances that others never get. It is important for ‘nobodies’ to stop indulging in fantasies of spiritual teachers, especially indian/sufi gurus they have never met, who almost certainly have never heard of you, and who cannot easily ‘astral project’ for complete strangers to deal with such a situation, assuming they ever find out. Human gurus have very limited powers: they often reached enlightenment by renouncing occult powers (though not always, who knows). But ‘demonic’ entities are often superoccultists, they sacrificed everything for such powers, only to stalk the astral plane as vampires in torment.
Such demonic entities (often the very dead gurus, false ones) can observe your will, spiritual practice and state, and subtly enter into it to screw your path royally. This must be what Gautama was encountering (his references are purely generic) as Mara, but I can’t make any reliable statements about that figure. His example won’t help at this point. You must start over.
To give an example, I had a successful 4 am meditation practice, til I discussed online here, after which it was shot to hell….And I have often put down on paper schedules of practice, ‘To do’, intents about the future…those are juicy targets for these entities…Are they real? imaginary? projections? Hard to say, and noone can offer serious advice.
Still another brand of confusion is appearing now. These entities know well the need to act autonomously and we see now the perfect trap: the Crowley path, finding your own true will. A great resolve, to find your own will, but not as a Faust using occult black magic. Avoid it like the plague: it is the mirror image of Mara deceiving meditators.
You can reach enlightenment without realizing your true will. Beware of bringing your will out in the open.
A forty year waste of time…deprogramming new age stupidities, a larger social detachment project
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A larger social project that fulfills the critique of the new age movement is a response the 2/6 way system of murder taking the form of a 2/6 system of counter attack consisting of
1. an exit from the Osho sphere
2. a critique of buddhism and an indication of its proximate demise,
and this includes an examination of Advaita/Hinduism/Vedism…
3. a call to dismantle Tibetan buddhism
4. a double critique of Islam/sufism,
5. a expose of sufi gangsterism
6. an expose of Islam’s hidden and corrupt ‘soul’ process
7. a call to dismantle Islam
8. an expose of xtianity and its incoherent theology (long exposed by Islam) and a reminder of its suppressed Munzerian communist gospel
7. declaration of ‘war’ against the Gurdjeff Con and a debriefing call to scrap its pretension to being a spiritual movement…
with a related expose of the Gold pseudo-sufism…
8. a request to not subject the exiles of these movements to the inadequate new atheist movement, or secular humanism as current.
9. a further debriefing of jewish covenental mythology, jewish supremacist occultism, the Isreali pretense to a jewish homeland, a call to dismantle jewish israel, and a boycott of jewish new age gurus: the principle duty of jews is assimilation if they course is spiritual teaching…
A new study of modenrity is required to see the exist strategies open here, and a new brand of secular humanism is urgently needed….
Buddhism is over…
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I have left the previous post alone for a few days, to let it sink in. Let me note an irony: to carry this program you need asap a program or path of ‘meditation’ or some kind of self-awareness project to really achieve liberation from this larger occult nightmare of buddhists, or buddhas, sufi gangsters and occultists, etc, and you might even go under cover into the remnants of these entities to find the resources to do all this!
The question of Osho is up in the air.
The issue of buddhism is critical. If the final phase of modern esoteric buddhism generated nazism, as claimed by Osho, buddhism is finished. I must operate from now on that basis. The idea that spiritual allegiance includes an automatic Heil Hitler in the name of buddhist authority is so grotesque it is beyond belief. To be fair I think the new age of modernity saw the ‘guatama entity’ long gone as his legacy simply moved into modernity there to reckon its future on its own. Who/what/when took over the remnant sangha to generate fascist antimodernism is thus unclear. And this scenario seems unlikely to me.
Escaping a juggernauat as menacing as even the remnant of buddhist fascism requires meditation to overcome buddhism’s occult dynamite, so better get started…
The mindfulness movement, an irony…
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Someone very powerful must already be attempting an evacuation from buddhism with the attempt at a ‘secular’ (the term is misused) version of the core teaching of meditation. Best of luck to such. But keep in mind that ‘santana dharma’ transcends hinduism/buddhism and points to a timeless legacy that would try to create a post-buddhism in modernity itself. It must be ruthless and allow no buddhist legacies to enter into its formulation, which can reconstruct from scratch from elements of remorphed ‘yoga’/dharma taken experimentally. That is impossible to hope for, but who knows, maybe…
The point is that the complexity of ‘consciousness’ is a species level issue and buddhism/hinduism have no monopoly over meditation. Meditation is already moving into the rear window. We can reconstruct the legacy of homo sapiens from the basics of ‘meditation in action’ as attention/consciousness, etc…Someone in the Jain legacy (such as Osho) might be helpful here, assuming he is not part of the cancerated buddhist legacy…
Is Osho correct about buddhist occult fascism in modern times?
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I have already reached the point where I can’t open a buddhist sutra without trepidation. But what was Osho’s original source of information in his declaration about buddhists, almost at a whisper?
Buddhists have enough resources to research this issue, and should step aside from buddhism to do that. And the Tibetans need to be confronted here, and their occultists forced to spill the beans, where anything is still known. I think these poor people are mostly deluded fronts, so we don’t know how to proceed.
Very few grasp the mind control tactics of occult gurus and sufis (a very few of them). We have shown here how this blogger could be invultuated (briefly) across continents, and by, take a deep breath, dead buddhas, ghosts!
Is Osho exploiting this charge for his neo-buddhism? I don’t know but I doubt it, and I think that his gesture toward a teaching at least is a reminder that spiritual paths could disappear if buddhism gets exposed according to accusation. I think his own brand is on the line in this revelation.
Hinduism is not the answer so please forget that option. It is not a universal or open teaching and requires rebirth in the Indian culture. Yoga techniques can be exported but they are not the same as the fully equipped buddhism in its original form. The have already turned into a farce of the health and fitness industry. A big zero down the tubes.
I think an important distinction is with the emergence of Mahayana. The connection with Xtianity is not always clear, and the nature of the religion has changed in a subtle way. Read the fine print: noone is enlightened in Mahayana, or so it seems. That generates something very deadly. Something insidious lurks here, what is it?
Someone thought they had the perfect crime done and accomplished. Those evil Germans?
What is the jewish angle? Why on earth would esoteric buddhists wish to destroy jews? One possible answer is the Gotterdammerung effect: the buddhist remnant saw the new age coming, and wished to self-destruct buddhism and destroy the ‘jewsish conspiracy’ in one fell swoop along with their own disappearance. What, was there a conspiracy?
Antisemitic feint…
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Some are wondering at my remarks against jews …
They misunderstand me completely. Review the archives here, on ‘antisemitic feints’, and the tactic of snaring Tibetan occultists on the prowl for potential antisemites and fascists. My antisemitic feint fooled them and they almost gave themselves away…
Despite a few bad remarks about Jews I am a strong philosemite and was hoping to catch a buddhist fascist in the act…
I think the question of jews is also a case of terminal Axial Age religion, and that judaism is ‘finished’, but that is a question of secular debate, no more, out in the open as a form of discourse not action or malevolent antisemitism. I think this is actually philosemitic in the sense that judaism is a quagmire for persons of jewish birth, who reincarnate briefly and get ripped off, and then reincarnate again outside that religion. I think the Axial Age religions as a whole should be critiqued. Etc…
I don’t care to reach enlightenment with the current crop of degenerate gurus…and// The Advaita generation, a real path or a hoax?
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The hidden world of gurus is desperate to get me enlightened thence in their camp…In desperation I am being shunted into Advaita where some fast realization might make me relent on my ‘spit in your face’ tactics in the transition by and by guru land.
I don’t care to reach enlightenment with this corpus of materials, or any of the other degenerate gurus and sufis, although I have responded to a Request for Comment on this legacy, which, unbelievably, I missed in all these years since the seventies.
I will refrain from snap judgments and reflect on the thirty books just acquired with credit card debt on the subject.
It hardly matters at this point. I suspect, and this is a guess on my part, that the legacy here is so confounded by its history that it is barely functional. The era of Shankara was the era of the triumph over and destruction of buddhism exiled from India to the vastness of Tibet and South Asia. And the legacy of Advaita like that of Vedanta is based on the false foundation of Vedism, with what confusion of its basic teaching we know not.
The failure to see that the Aryan invasions produced a false hybrid tradition of Aryan mythos and Vedism grafted onto ‘santana dharma’ has made the whole tradition of Hinduism a confusing labyrinth. And I have to wonder if the Aryans confronting ancient yogis weren’t just as tempted by a ‘short path’ as westerners are now with the strange lore of Advaita.
I am not at the point of being able to assess this apparition of the seventies to nineties. But it is being used it appears to create a crop of ‘realized quickeis’ to show some kind of result from the gang of frenzied westerners traveling the India circuit.
I cannot yet come to an understanding of this sector of the great Indian tradition, but it is already problematical in the way it has produced the confusions of Da Free John, Lozowick, and Andrew Cohen. I was unable of this whole side of Ramana Maharsi, an obscure figure who is more than his benign front.
For myself I am still zero for zero on all new age paths, and the sufi connection is nightmarishly worse. A big zero. Thanks a lot guys, known by your mugshots at this point…
I think Paul Brunton’s work The Short Path, in its first few pages can be helpful to many suffering The Gurdjieff Con, a false path in which you can be stuck forever in a treadmill…Escape…
Advaita //destroying the caste legacy of yoga…
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The question of Advaita is too complex to deal with with summary judgments.
I am puzzled: why is my opinion being asked for? Perhaps, I am the only one who will speak plainly. I will list the resources I have obtained, plus some videos.
The task for Indic teachers is to create a new ‘santana dharma’ that is free of its Vedic, Indo-European strain, with Jain, and Buddhist parallels seen in their context as part of that ‘eternal dharam’. Hindus think Buddhism is leading people into hell, given our critique of its fascist secret it is suddenly ironic to confront that legacy. But the buddhist tradition needs to be seen in its context as a universalization of the hopeless case hinduism.
The world is out of time to tolerate the law of caste in the background of people doing yoga. And the monopoly of brahman gurus, from Maharsi to the rest, needs to be shattered.
Schopenhauer and Indian Philosophy: A Dialogue Between India and Germany
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Schopenhauer and Indian Philosophy: A Dialogue Between India and Germany
Nonduality videos
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nonduality&page=3
Danielou and the mystery of Indian religious history
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Shiva and the Primordial Tradition: From the Tantras to the Science of Dreams (Amazon) This may be a dubious scholarly book as the old NK charged, but the accusers still can’t get straight on the Aryan Invasion issue…
Checking out Advaita is beyond my capacity, so far, so be wary of what I have to say, but I have twenty books on the subject tabled for study, and questions are arising already. What is enlightenment, given this alternate literature and to which of the writers in this field does the term apply. It is late in the day to discover this realm. I must have been in an alternate universe (many buddhists and near buddhists no doubt avoid all contact with ‘Hinduism’, and are oblivious), so my judgment is not reliable.
But my trusty ‘eonic effect’ model is of some help.
As I approach Advaita I suddenly feel the Hindu hatred of buddhists and am already (temporarily) infected. Did this generate my recent attacks on buddhism?
Item: The Book of Undoing by Fred Davis, Direct Pointing to Non-Dual Awareness…Advaita is now a form of therapy with a sideline for the Twelve Step Recovery world. Question mark. Someone else will have to provide the answer.
I often reread Danielou’s books to remind myself of the mystery of Indian religious history. He had local unnamed Indian contacts, and his account is unusual. That author’s books may be as dubious as the mainstream ones he tends to indirectly critique.
You may reach enlightenment and still be confused, it seems.
But Danielou is worth reading in case you think you understand the history of Hinduism/Buddhism. It is a VAST universe of so many different strains that noone understands it all. And a lot of commentary even from so-called experts is pervaded with basic errors. My point today is that I often get disoriented by Indian spiritual history. It is almost impossible to get any of it straight. Danielou speaks of a Shaivite revival from the third century BCE onward, something not even mentioned in most books. A whole series of things like that. Maybe nonsense, maybe not.
My point is that basic errors pervade the whole subject. You are then subject to them. If, like me, you step outside you can correct those errors, but it is not a good prospect. So each point of the traditions liable to wrong thinking. (A good example is the real history of Mahayana)…I am ostracized by all the various traditions, plus the sufistic. Why? uppity westerner, won’t say heil hitler on demand.
Clearly I am better off outside the whole game of new age garbage dumps.
Here’s my general perspective, with some help from Danielou (caveat lector, here, his books however have a key, I think). The eonic effect shows the significance of three epochs in world history, or four including the onset of modernity.
5400 to 3000, 3000 to 600, 600 to 1800, 1800 onward with three century lead ups, over exact dates, perhaps. We don’t know what these epochs are, but they obviously represent in my model phases in a dynamic cycle model. This has NOTHING to do with astrology or the cycles of the Great Year which has totally confused everyone.
The question is, where does Indian spirituality come from and when does it start, or show relative restarts…? What, if any correlations does it show with the epoch starts indicated?
Note that buddhism, a clear offshoot of the general line, shows the system in a clear relative restart after ca. 600 BCE (with a parallel Jain post-Mahavir outcome). Hindus were baffled by buddhism but in the eonic model it is an obvious sideshoot giving birth to an Indian contribution to general globalization, like Israelite monotheism. Note that the year 600 BCE more or less is crucial in both cases: a religious stream initiates and proceeds outwards. Note also the utterly remarkable fact that around 0 BCE both streams start to generate a new more general form. Christianity and Mahayana, the latter being connected to the idea of ‘savior’ religions. We suspect a global connection of both cases.
The model distinguishes ‘stream’ and ‘sequence’ and we can see that the stream of hinduism (?? meaning) can intersect with the larger macro effect as in the Axial Age and generate an entity, buddhism, that is shorn from its roots to become an entity in global civilization.
But we have to ask if there were earlier such interactions, e.g. 3000, 5500 BCE. In fact, the eonic process never touches the same area twice, but that applies to the mainline. We can’t be sure there weren’t ‘Axial Ages’ or intervals in these two phase starting points. It seems unlikely, but we have to remain suspicious, and here Danielou himself notes the connection of Krishna, a pre-Aryan figure (?) to 3000 BCE, along with a long Jain sequence (?), and then the resemblance of Shiva and Dionysus: was there a kind of Axial Age in the middle Neolithic? Gurdjieff speaks of a pre-sand Egypt and its generation of proto-Christianity ( a dubious claim, but he may have hit on something).
But a close look at the eonic effect makes a proliferation of ‘Axial Ages’ dubious: they follow a very exact pattern. The issue is important because it is rare to see highly advanced entities like Indian religion arising absent a boost from the eonic effect. But those boosts are strictly related to a larger pattern. It could be that a kind of Axial Age synchrony like the later seeded east/west culture/religion in multiple zones, egypt, proto-sumer, india, china….We can’t conclude that but the issue of the source of Indian religion remains.
Answer, we don’t know, but the middle Neolithic is the obvious source of the phenomenon of religion as we know it in later civilization (e.g. the temple religions connected with agriculture we see in the North of Sumer, after 5500 BCE, etc…)
Indian religion shows many signs of a Neolithic signature. We must look at the beautiful legacy of the Shiva religion with its embedded yoga. So, was the ‘primordial Shaivism’ considered by Danielou as the source of the whole of Indian spirituality (proto-shaivism, yoga/tantra, samkhya, jainism), present in the middle Neolithic, with figures like Shiva emerging in parallel with related figures like Dionysus, or the proto-Isis/Osiris cult in Egypt.
We can’t answer the question, but we suspect that primordial shaivism generated the early jainism which is so reminiscent of later buddhism. When? the tradition speaks of 24 teertankers! And the source of the Krishna cult remains obscure.
This is part of the reason for relative restarts like buddhism: the system simply starts over with a related strain. But the vigorous ‘hindu’ milieu carried a huge number of alternates which seem likely to out-survive the now fading buddhism in the epoch after 1800. None of these proliferations will have any system status the way buddhism did (and probably some earlier version of the shiva cult/yoga). It is a pity but we can’t locate the real starting point of what the remnansts of the Shiva cult obviously suggest: it was the source, as Danielou notes, of almost everything that came later.
NK when he was still here suggested the text whose name I forget discussing the diffusions from Sumer. It would resolve many issues if we could locate a single source of later religions in the era of Sumer, or the epoch leading up to it. But it doesn’t seem to work. There is nothing in the Sumerian corpus to suggest either proto-religion of Egypt or that of India.
In any case, the history of Indian religion is misunderstood by everyone. No wonder.
We have already discussed the lineage of Advaita in terms of the axial age and its interval: a remarkable mystery: fromr 900 BCE to 600 BCE we see the eonic system ‘touch’ the stream and spawn the Upanishadic corpus with a related confusing Vedanta (with a lot of ambiguities). The problem is that this larger system correctly sees the red herring of the Vedas (Aryan legacy stuff) and tries to bypass it as it moves via the ‘Upanishadic’ hinduism through the Jain ending in Mahavir and then buddhism. Advaita then has an apparently clear lineage in this system, but….
It is possible that the source of the Indian tradition lies in the Paleolithic and a continuous stream until it encounters the eonic system, but that is just the point, when and where, before buddhism?
There is another possibility: reaching enlightenment was the ‘natural state’ of early homo sapiens, whose diaspora from Africa (one or many) would have reached South India very early and produced early Indic tribes of homo sapiens still able to reach enlightenment naturally. Who knows?
This streamlined account using the eonic effect works remarkably well considering that it has no connection to actual content, but it is still too fuzzy. The full account of India in the Axial Age is almost impossible to figure out. In part because it ‘stepping stones’ between three legacies, the proto-hindu, the jain, and the to-become buddhism. But this system does not create a world religion from hinduism directly. It feeds an ‘upanishadic’ milieu which leads to the field of yogis that produces buddhism in the end.
So it is important to see that the hindu stream is simply a vast disorganization of ‘this and that’, remnants of antiquity, with hard to understand subreligions, that are all localized Indian traditions. In this sprawl we find the legacy of advaita, which suddenly looks to be shorn of its credentials, leaving a question. It is probably close to the core of the real legacy, to be sure, but the overall clarity of the subject is lost here (to say the least). As the lingo goes, jalopy. Advaita is a classic car, but does it really run? Its actual exemplars appear to validate its reality, but Schwartz is already accusing Poonja of creating false exemplars destined to crash and burn (Andrew Cohen for example), and that is very cruel: we are presented with an Indian export given to westerners as a baby pacifier, apparently…
Trust meter goes negative, we should attempt a ruthless examination of Advaita…But it gets a pass via its indirect ‘eonic’ status, but with a reminder that our deft ‘macro system’ which detects a problem with the Vedas, trying to sift out a real core, leaves Advaita with its Vedic trappings, which most yogis ignore anyway.
I will list the books I am looking at:
starting with
Brunton: The Direct Path, The Secret Path, Discover Yourself
the Ramana Maharsi corpus, Who am I?
Dennis Waite, Back to the Truth
James Schwartz, 2 books, Hot to Attain Enlightenment,
Vedanta, Vajraprana…various books on Vedanta…
Brunton, The Gift of Grace
Advaita, the truth of non-duality, Iyer
Advaita Vedanta, Deutsch
Enllightenment, the path thru the jungle, Waite
Teaching tradition of Advaita Vedanta, Saraswati
Conversaions on non-duality, edited, Gilbert
The Direct Path, Harvey
Awakening to the Dream Hartog
Wake up and roar Poomja
plus others…in other related fields….
The Maharsi sphere (= Brunton entity?) denouncing their own reactionary background…
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This method is actually proving effective, maybe: being denounced forces entities with the psychic clout to figure things out to check things out, but they won’t go public.
My citation of Brunton at the start seems right, with support in the background
I am chided for not including discussion/reference to 1. Hindu power zones, the gurus behind the gurus…not the same as Hindutva, but reactionary… dead beings processed as zombie entities, Bollywood faust cases..2. EJ Gold and jewish supremacists???/gurdjieff in league with reactionary entities 3. Sufis in the majority incapable of occult action 4. impotent xtians with no clue to anything…5. the only group with the power to stage a fascist movement were the ‘buddhist’. with a swatstika from the hapless Jains?
A larger social project that fulfills the critique of the new age movement is a response the 2/6 way system of murder taking the form of a 2/6 system of counter attack consisting of
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1. an exit from the Osho sphere
2. a critique of buddhism and an indication of its proximate demise,
and this includes an examination of Advaita/Hinduism/Vedism…
3. a call to dismantle Tibetan buddhism
4. a double critique of Islam/sufism,
5. a expose of sufi gangsterism
6. an expose of Islam’s hidden and corrupt ‘soul’ process
7. a call to dismantle Islam
8. an expose of xtianity and its incoherent theology (long exposed by Islam) and a reminder of its suppressed Munzerian communist gospel
7. declaration of ‘war’ against the Gurdjeff Con and a debriefing call to scrap its pretension to being a spiritual movement…
with a related expose of the Gold pseudo-sufism…
8. a request to not subject the exiles of these movements to the inadequate new atheist movement, or secular humanism as current.
9. a further debriefing of jewish covenental mythology, jewish supremacist occultism, the Isreali pretense to a jewish homeland, a call to dismantle jewish israel, and a boycott of jewish new age gurus: the principle duty of jews is assimilation if they course is spiritual teaching…A new study of modernity is required to see the exist strategies open here, and a new brand of secular humanism is urgently needed….
These guru scumbags want to make an example of me: expose fascism and you’ll be invutuated to death…that’s very stupid
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The past year has shown me two things: my almost obsessive preoccupation with hidden buddhist fascism (and its sympathizers, among gurus) was onto something (the rumors have been around for decades) and that gurus really are stupid enough to pose a nazi test as a test of surrender.
We have seen all the details however confused.
It is time to take the guru game to pieces, exposed for what it is.
Gurus too cowardly to challenge darwinism…
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I have on weapon in my arsenal of self-defense. All these gurus were too chicken to expose darwinism because they were ambitious to not rock the boat and get a lot of followers. But the issue will come back to haunt them, especially Osho, who was smart enough there was a problem,but seems to have lief. One mistake like that and these gurus are finished. If they lie there, where else do they lie?
Meanwhile, mainstream buddhism has been forced to knuckle under and I would guess you are out if you dissent on darwin. Fair? The whole of current buddhism is mostly new age junk cultism…Let’s move on.
We can’t continue a buddhism trying to fix the opinion of an immense generation of liberal new agers into reactionary politics and its fascist dark side…
Advaita a sop for frustrated westerners…?
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In some ways the thought of Shankara is far more comprehensive than Schopenhauer’s, but I think that the work of Kant points to a new future of philosophy that may generate a new form of practice.
At the end we will be stripped from the past and these new seeds of the modern will be our final recourse.
The world of Shankara is not one I care to live in, despite the significance of Advaita. This is the world of the neo-brahmin restoration and the destruction of buddhism. I would fear my own destruction from these vampires of medieval Indian domination.
Advaita is brilliant, but is it really a path to enlightenment? Are all these new realized graduates really enlightened, or just seekers with lollipops to keep the tide of new new agers flowing?
The guru model is dead…where do we go from here?
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It is the gurus themselves who have destroyed the future of guruism. It was not/is not reasonable to think that another human being who claims ‘enlightened’ has the right to become a kind of dictator of the spirit of others. The pretense that they are needed to produce enlightenment is what fuels the illusion.
I think, ironically, that Anirvan’s To Live Within ended the whole game by trying to defend it: the model is a kind of Nietzschean hyperman with a new morality that can deal with a flock of disciples, who have no rights, most of whom end up as food, ‘gutted souls’ and/or dead zombies in a future scheme of ‘civilization’, with a few demonstration cases for public consumption.
That model won’t work anymore. And I am puzzled that Osho, on the threshold of walking away from it, actually produced another almost worse version of it. I can hardly think of anything more disgusting that the last two years of interaction here, although the Gurdjieff/Gold/sufi brands are probably worse. But Osho’s refusal to respect the freedom of a follower is the endgame coming ot his commune.
Surely xtianity is no better, so…
These dead gurus are vampires who use a parody of a path to enlightenment to invultuate the will and feed off the energy of the dupe thinking this is a path. We were warned: dead gurus are rapidly taken over by something else.
The question is, how did Gautama evade this problem, briefly, to produce a viable religion for a good part of the new era in the wake of the Axial Age? And when did this effort collapse? How on earth did all that end up in a fascist grand finale? Surely in an ironic commentary on the path of the boddhissatwas the ‘gautama’ entity simply passed away and his sangha was flooded with the demonic. The destruction of buddhism in India didn’t help.
We need to carefully research the whole history so we can figure what we are doing. But the dead Osho isn’t going to last a century, let alone a whole age period.
We are going to end up in a wasteland of commercialized mindfulness workshops….
The guru fallacy
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The mystique of the guru as essential to enlightenment has turned into a corrupt system. The solution is a simple realization: enlightenment is a birthright, and should not require gurus. Further, the self-interest of the guru is to retard the enlightenment of those who have lost it. Even for gurus, mechanical people looking like they are on a path are more useful. Gurus wish to create little empires, and they need to gain control of people via the ‘path’.
You can’t surrender your autonomy, and the whole relationship with gurus is a false start followed by a realization you have been conned into giving away your freedom, with the issue of enlightenment rendered unrealizable, something you aren’t told
The natural state…a term referenced from UG Krishnamurti
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I used the term ‘natural state’ a few posts back and realized it was taken from (reading the book jacket) of UG Khrishnamurti’s book), which I haven’t read.
I think the term (and perhaps his idea) are one route to creating a new modern spiritual domain beyond the domination of gurus. Those who preached guruism have to face the fact that it doesn’t work: tens of thousands surrender their freedom but never reach enlightenment, given solely to a few trusties, and noone else. The latter lose their autonomy and their are sitting ducks in a future life, either as zombies in the dead guru’s astral empire or earth religions, or zombie discarded into life as dead with with ‘soul’ consumed in the hidden racket of ‘anatta’, no soul: you are a buddhist and don’t want your soul, we will gladly relieve you of it.
I meant to reference the natural state to the condition of man at the dawn of homo sapiens. Is that a viable evolutionary assumption? Will discuss further….
Review of Osho on Buddha…buddhism turned fascist disintegrates…Osho too second rate to replace gautama…
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Did Osho finish off buddhism? Osho, then Rajneesh’s, declaration that buddhism was involved in the occult fascism of the nazi era probably seeld the death warrant of buddhism, which was a creature of the Axial Age destined to pass away in the new era ignited by modernity. And we have to wonder if the neo-buddhism of Osho can survive the charge made against gurus and their powers of mindcontrol used for purposes other than leading toward enlightenment.
I think that the New Age movement has failed to see the implications of its own modern history and the calamity created by exposing a world religion as involved in fascism.
I think that the religions of the Axial era are doomed to pass away, and that Osho’s concoction, while strictly speaking modernist (santana dharma in all age periods), is going to fail to if it can’t detach from the buddhist nightmare. People are flooding out of the realm of the buddhas into the diminished but freer realm of mindfulness workshops. The path to enlightenment must be rescued from (neo-)buddhists and placed in a universal context. Osho is second rate behind Gautama. But if the latter’s dharma is cancerated, we are left with nothing.
A review: The Fourth Way and Esoteric Christianity
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Don’t be fooled by this book and its related titles. The idea that Christianity hides an esoteric version in the form of the ‘fourth way’ is a complete fabrication by Gurdjieff, whose thinking confused the issue of what Christian religion really is. The idea of the fourth way has no basis whatsoever in historical fact, not a single instance can be pointed to before the term began to be used in the twentieth century. Christianity, whatever else it is, was a religion that was completely open and simple. To say that there was a hidden version like the fourth way depicted by Ouspensky is both implausible and and completely confusing. It implies that demonic figures, and Gurdjeff calls himself a devil, were really behind the religion, and this truth was never divulged to its members. If it were true then such Christians should abandon such a religion at once, because they are open to dangerous occultist like Gurdjieff, whose lies make any spiritual path confused and unusable.
The point Gurdjieff was trying to make, perhaps, in the complete muddle he made of spiritual esotericism, is that some parts of Christianity echo very ancient teachings, perhaps from Egypt. Perhaps so, let the proof be given with evidence with the bait and switch act of gnostics like Gurdjieff whose hidden agenda is malevolent. The whole literature of the New Testament is confused enough, adding the completely confused and bogus issue of the ‘fourth way’ is a kind of power grap intending to transfer authority to an occultism, such as Gurdjieff.
The whole of Christian theology is being rewritten with this stealth promotion of Gurdjieff’s ideas, witness also the complete idiocy of the ‘enneagram’ myth being similarly used to wiseacre Christian theology.
Gurdjieff clearly gave the warning, cleverly presenting himself as above the wolf’s real intent with the sheep, in speaking of the magician after the skins of the unsuspecting seekers.
Christians have to answer for their religion as it is in tradition. They don’t have to surrender to the wolf in esoteric trapping trying to plant a clever theological trap for the unsuspecting.
Again, let anyone give evidence of a fourth way school in history.
Mysterious communication/Intervention from somewho near the Maharsi entity
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As with last year and Nisargadatta somewho from the Maharsi sphere has intervened with a warning about Osho’s predatory treatment of this one and my futile/defunct Osho project. Leftists could be eaten alive in such a project. ‘Hey, guy, Osho doesn’t like you, be gone fast’. The destructive murderous invultuation over the last year has produced chaos in my life. My citation of Osho’s suicide in his last birth relevant to my life has resulted in a kind of eager/demon attempt to make me kill myself: kill yourself and be my successor. The situation is so confusing due to shifting fronts, Gurdjieff, sufis, etc…convenient objects of blame, and not friends either….
I have received a suggestion that, while the guru sphere around the Maharsi field is hardly enthusiastic about communism, they are concerned about the reactionary character of their Hindu milieu and would be more than happy to see the paths of yoga/buddhism shifted toward a socially progressive center of gravity, remaining outside of politics as such. They would a lot happier with socialism lite than hard communism, but accept the need for some kind of neo-communists spiritual path or religion: my idea of samkhya materialism seems apt. The incurable reactionary hindu world of castegoing from bad to worse with Hindutva is going to kill the whole legacy, and it needs an exit strategy, perhaps to a global community. The indian phenomenon, to be warned, has deep roots in Indian history, and possibly genetics, and the danger of superficial remnants in global diffusion is real, but the risk must be taken: it is very hard for outsiders to really achieve enlightenment, for reasons that are not clear.
The Maharsi sphere, as per Brunton, has no interest whatever in the fascist games that will taken buddhism down the drainpipe. A leftist perspective of some type, without political trappings, could be a refuge.
I get the suggestion to strip Advaita from its Hindu hallucination as Vedic tradition and place in its original historical context of ‘santana dharma’, wary of the latter’s original still primitive formats of millennia gone by. Thus, why Oshoism, when the santana dharma is in principle a universal human legacy. The realm of buddhism and Oshoism are both really forms of bhakti yoga centered on a single super-authoritarian person, making them vulnerable to just the fascism I have been protesting. How could Oshoism be used for a general path given its focus with the mala on th person of the guru? That made sense while Osho was alive and in the context of India, it makes no sense in the wake of that brief initiative. The world of Advaita is far more protected due to the multiplicity of gurus who end up keeping an eye on each other. The shallow Nietzschean strain in Osho is already a western distortion. Gurus aren’t supposed to be supermen who run around cannibalizing hapless disciples, in the parody of Anirvan’s fan club infatuation with Gurdjieff. Forget all that: a spiritual guru has to be above predatory appropriation of a seeker’s energies and life. That sad reality of multiple gurus not conforming to any standard makes it important to extract a version of the teaching for a global community.
The Advaita stripped from its Hindu imposter’s moorings could serve very well, despite its strong idealist cast which would alienate most western leftists. But that issue is hardly important. Advaita could pass between religions of the will, and materialist scientism without much trouble. Its core is invariant to all religions/philosophies. The question of ‘consciousness’ is even showing a connection to basic physics.
In any case, I am advised to stay away from the Osho sphere at the risk of spiritual destruction, with the sufis/Gurdjieff also in malevolent pursuit. These gangsters dislike honest men and go out of their way to make fun of, if not destroy them. Ouspensky was right to recoil from the Gurdjieff action.
The paths near Advaita have their own problems, but stripped of the Vedic grafting they represent one core aspect of santana dharma and could serve a western leftist very well.
Religion, the new age movement, and the end of a set of false paths…
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I have to look back and come to some kind of intelligent conclusion about the wasteland of new age junk spirituality from sufism to the brands of ‘buddhism’ that has taken up so much time, and produced nothing. Being called ‘enlightened’ was the last joke: clearly that was final sick joke. I think that it is a relief to be rid of the whole idiocy, but unfortunately I am worse off than when I started, have acquired a set of dangerous enemies, and am afflicted with a host of bardo/demons that are hard to defang. So getting back to my starting point is not yet achieved.
I had several ‘satori’ experiences before or outside the new age sphere which was from beginning to end a distracting set of deceptions.
I think one should:
escape at once the false promotion of enlightenment by predatory gurus, hindu or buddhist
try to disentangle from sufi predators, and the related but different entanglement with a complex alternate monotheism, Islam. Sufis as nihilists are hardly among the devout. But the labyrinth of sufism is impossible to decipher. And its complex ‘seed plexus’ technique is at risk of being captured by psychopaths, making rapid exit from sufi realms absolutely essential.
dump the ‘seed plexus’ soul path as unrealizable and extremely dangerous: at risk of being turned into a permanent demon via the sufi slave markets.
One suspects Gurdjieff was a slave demon of hidden masters setting up seekers for ripoff. Staying away from gurdjieffianity. It is not so hard to do that now. the whole game is so riddled with obvious junk like the enneagram, the fourth way, and the rest of it, that it not so attractive as it once was. If Oscar Ichazo was set up for fake enlightenment, the message should be clear, stay away. Those who disagree are free to explain without lies what this from of sufism is about. That they can’t do. The Gurdjieff outer core amounts to about the same as a mindfulness workhsop, the latter being at least clear.
The path of buddhism is suddenly seen, via the expose of Rajneesh, to be a dangerous crypto-political brand of fascism with suspected connections to the rise of Nazism. Reacting in shock one must simply drop the ‘buddhist’ path and legacy (the ‘Heil Gautama’ brand). That’s all it is, a brand, from the Axial Age. The larger history remains, as an unknown, one of its unknowns being ‘hinduism’, which is so confused by its false Aryan hybridization as to be an equal unknown. We see the problem in the ‘guru’ as superman resolving disciples to a system of caste, a species of bullshit calling the whole thing in question. The legacy as a whole has yet to find its modern form, if any. Its basically fascist core is destructive of the autonomy of the seeker and results in the invultuation of seekers as ‘dead zombie’ in a guru system, which may or may not have a future culture project..
I fear Osho is caught up in the same judgment and is unable to escape ‘buddhist gravitational black hole’ syndrome.
I have experienced nothing but attempted zombification from the Osho source and need to fight my way out of the whole racket, which seems to be trying to find its continuation. Goodby to that, from this quarter. To me, the Osho interaction was not on the level, despite a strange epiphany phase in my Oregon years and travels. I had a brief ‘occult’ contact with something which amounts to nothing much. But the experience of the miraculous is not without interest. But Ouspensky made a great mistake, which Gurdjieff, chuckling, failed to correct: aim higher, the miraculous is merely rare and otherwise samsaric.
One must distinguish Osho live and dead. I never had any contact with the live Osho, while the dead is a dangerous vampire (probably a substitue demonic capturing his dead astral image). So the whole Osho question is useless, apart from reading his books. I have read three hundred of them, with no result.
I am not back to the point at which I started because I have dangerous enemies who will kill to conceal their basic fascist character, the worst being the ‘Heil Gautama’ faction.
I think the path of the bodhissatwas is a fraud at this point: it has created an immense field of people frozen in state with no hope of enlightenment, preyed on by an invisible sangha of vultures feeding off their energies. How convenient, an army destined to never reach enlightenment.
I sought reference in Xtianity and am a born again xtian. IN fact, I was told to bugger off, the whole thing is a joke. From the horse’s mouth?
Being ‘born again’ is something real, but almost never occurs in xtianity. Good bye to that.
So I have nothing to point to exccept a brief ‘satori’ before I entered the new age movement, or met any gurus. I can only hope to rediscover that moment on my own.
I should point out that I have had a special set of problems which others can evade…:
1. I have been confused with the reincarnation of Ouspensky ehich resulted in a set of hidden sufis privy to that ‘rumor’ attempting to rip off the ‘immense baraka’ bestowed on the original Ouspensky. The grim realization sufis won’t share their knowledge with seekers and instead keep them in the dark about their previous lives is a reminder to be wary of sufis altogether.
2. I interacted with figures like the sordid EJ Gold who produce a triple confusion of jewish supremacism, gurdjieff usurpation, and crowley black magic dsiguised behind sufism/gurdjieff. A pretty sordid joke, and needless to say futile waste of time. To make it worse, Gold seems to take out what his followers call a ‘mafia contract’ on various victims, which must result in death or the breaking of a magical vow. Another nightmare. Stay away, no?
The sufi soul process is a lost cause at this point, and I am advised that the remnant phenomenon will get stripped out in the bardo transition.
Here the fragments of the original ‘santana dharma’ remain of interest. Here one can quietly take up a private short version of the ‘short path’ described by Brunton, aware that it is too good to be true. But his material can be an ‘instant’ realization in an FYI ‘information’ sense. You are already ‘enlightened’. Whether or not you are able to achieve the classic forms of ‘realization’ of that enlightenment is another question. The latter is rare and unlikely, so you had best reckon with that reality and adopt a from of self-description as ‘enlightened’ but not fully realized. This can be an honest form of samsaric contintuation without the entanglement in the slave rackets of the various gurus and sufis.
Modern ‘secular’ society (which has been misdescribed by secular humanists) is a system created among others reason for just this kind of situation, and allows a life continuation with demons, religious slave markets, and salvation peddlers. Secularism is about free individuals with their autonomy, and allows a form of existence without the ‘plantation’ system of ashrams and sufi ranges that are really ‘factories of the work’ in the Gurdjieff predation/extraction system, which never got off the ground, but all to real in other guru/sufi shperes.
Ouspensky was right to smell a rat. He froze and never recovered his trust in gurus.
So you exit with nothing. But the FYI from of understanding your real nature as a member homo sapiens armed with a potential set of forms of consciousness remains. We must suspect that since ‘enlightenment’ is and always was man’s basic birthright that it has been hijacked by the very gurus and others promoting its recovery. Extracting the basic energies of a creature like homo sapiens is very profitable. Selling it back to you (without delivering the goods) is a bit foolish for you.
I would be wary of the whole game.
To be continued….
I think ‘invultuation over lives’ will prove the jugular vein of the guru legacy….
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Second lifers learn something the eager beaver jet to india crowd doesn’t know. The indian equivalent of the sufi slave markets…
The danger should make you totally wary of the guru circuits. Exempting the large number of complete idiots who are even more clueless than new age seekers.
Do indian gurus use black magic against leftists?
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I fear the answer is yes, although my perceptions are skewed slightly by the overlap with dangerous sufi reactionaries and the other reasons the gurus all hate me. Reread this blog, and take a guess. The hostility to me is something more than leftist perspectives. But in the age of Modi one would do well to be wary.
The whole of Indian religion is a lost cause. I think we need to reconstruct it, and the rubble of Oshoism and Advaita might be two ways to start…
I think buddhism/gautama brand is dead, or deserted…move on
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I think Gautama was one of the greatest teachers, and he had a tidal wave of history behind him, but something went awry. I can only try to guess what it is: but we see the problem right away in this: we don’t know what buddhism is really like, and how it ‘happened’. Its Mahayana phase shows Gautama’s dilemma, enlightenment, ditching a movement as the ‘buddha’ disappears. Or trying to make the Axial Age moment last throughout an epoch: the resolution emerges in the obscure idea of the boddhissatwa, and a way to carry the movement through an age is found, and yet….
A boddhissatwa? Is the idea really serious? Such a being must acquire a soul, so what happened, and who was this being.
I think it is an illusion, or if not, an idea that will pass with the old epoch. To renounce enlightenment is an invitation to open the commune to demons of the worst kind and as gautama passed away the sangha could no longer remain aware of itself. There were immortal boddhissatwas. They seem to lurk behind Tibetan buddhist fronts, like dead vampires that must consume from each generation of buddhist initiates. What do they do? Enlighten? They cannot.So what is the purpose, the rationale?
IN this enigma the fascist confusion seems to have entered as a hidden calamity.
The verdict must be to dismiss the phantom of antiquity, and let the present be the present. It is not required to sacrifice modernity to keep an older band of dead men going…
I think buddhism has forgotten its secret, and its current generations are turning in circles. And dissolving into modern society.
This must have happened with Jainism after Mahavir. The real movement sprang up elsewhere as the remaining movement became a religion for householders with token paths we still see today. The energy moved into buddhism. And now the same is happening with buddhism itself.
What really happened with buddhism? We have lost the pieces to the puzzle. We can’t imitate the past, and buddhism now is a layer cake with three layers. It can no longer develop because its development is complete. Becoming a boddhissatwa is a dangerous practice in a global environment: it presumes a refuge for such brave souls. But now, such sacrifices are pointless and eject the candidate into a dangerous environment with a vow to never wake up. It is a cruel hoax now.
Gautama seems to have used this to extend his movement to the end of an age period, but was he still there at the end? His movement fell prey to something monstrous, his worst fears realized…
Best to move on here and find some vital way that speaks to a new era…
I am being asked to critique the Advaita nexus plus the Advaita movement…
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I am being asked to critique the Advaita nexus plus the Advaita movement. My first idiot reaction was sarcastic, but I may have hit on something: if non-duality is true then Frodo and Gollum are one…checkmate for the whole subject…first impressions often penetrate to the core…but not always…skip the above,then…(search ‘frodo’ here for the post)
I have a lot of troubles already, this one could be a cruncher…why me?
I am stopped cold by this question because the wrapper called ‘Advaita’ probably points to the mother lode of Santana Dharma, and this implies its Vedic wrapper is an impostor. Along with the confused term ‘vedanta’.
I wouldn’t rush into a critique of Advaita, therefore, but I can point to quibbles on the boundaries, to start: all these medieval spiritual experts got Vedism wrong. The later is part of the Aryan hybridization of the ancient teaching. So, first, we know that Shankara et al had no ‘historical psychic vision’ (??) and got the wrapper all wrong. That’s merely strike one: they can transmit a teaching semi-rote over many many centuries, so the objection is irrelevant, as such. Its exponents proclaim the Truth, but lived in a degenerate hindu neo-brahmanical world of caste and exploitation….Still, doesn’t touch the core of Advaita which is probably not Hindu…(in the Veda/late hinduism nexux)…
This blog has a whole book scanned debunking the Gita. Is the history correct,the debunking on target? What is the real history of buddhism and neo-brahmanism? Why would the neo-brahmins massacre buddhists?
Again, the Gita issue is irrelevant. The book as we have it may be not what it seems, but this doesn’t touch the core Advaita questions…
(Was Krishna really an Aryan? Didn’t Krishna and his cult predate the Aryans? )
As a quick judgment, the core of Advaita rings true, in the atman/brahman equation. but…
I am working with Waite’s long book…A useful book, with quibbles as above starting on page one…but the first page of the Introduction sounds almost like a quote from Schopenhauer.
It is not true to say Schopenhauer’s ideas come from Vedanta. His thinking is that of so-called (Kantian) transcendental idealism (all that phenomenal/thing-in-itself stuff) and its resonance with upanishadic psychology is a strong sign of a common vein of something, we know not what…
we will continue…
Indian gurus are irresponsible..We MUST challenge guru power games before they go global…ass front and fart: the new surrender for the plague of guru fakes flooding the planet…
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The garbage in Anirvan on guru worship and its superman fantasy needs to be exposed, and we have tried that here.
The power over individuals appearing in gurus of the Indian (and some sufi) type seems glamorous on the surface in the propaganda of new age venues, but the reality is that these powers are dangerous enough in the self-supervised world of local India but as they spread on the global stage a calamity is unfolding, and I have been one of the victims, as I can see looking backward.
We need to stop the coming plague of imitators about to flood the planet with a huge field of cripples left behind. The means to do this is to protect autonomy and to challenge ‘surrender’ ideology and propaganda where it appears. It often springs into being unspoken in a ritual of historical custom, but that weak safeguard is nothing of the kind now. I have experienced not less than five virulent gurus and their powers in the past forty years. It seemed a nightmare with no let up.
I briefly embraced the Osho field but that was no exception (after his death) and now I have encountered the x-way system of murder to find these dead buddha devils trading off identities to pursue various victims.
The whole game of gurus needs to be stopped in its tracks by taking away its core mechanism surrender. Instead we can treat gurus as teachers, communicators, and possibly gurus in a private yet open circle of known friends operating on a face to face basis.
The really insidious game emerging is the field of global victims who encounter gurus in books, and fall into trances with their coverjackets and get conned into fake paths by astral question marks.
We are living out the sufi garbage of Gurdjieff et al trying to promote the duty of surrender of conscious energies to higher powers, a dangerous racket that bleeds a lot of suckers.
The most grostesque case was Da Free John who made his disciples sell plasma in the ritual joke of Dracula that he not only played but spoke of openly in a kind of joke. I recall passing through Sacramento hoping to visit his ashsram, but was too down and out to ever make it that uppity crowd, and fell into a trance in the Sacramento area as I began to sell plasma there during the attempted ‘darshan’. I only realized years later from reading about it what had happened. Not everyone is as susceptible as I am, but that actually doesn’t matter. Dead types will provide the false venue for that, you don’t have to be a psychic to be a victim. I recall reading later a blurb in an Osho book warning people not to fall into the trap of people like Da Free John.
But who an afford, let alone read so many books to stumble on the warning, years later…
What a grotesque parody of the guru. The guru hyeanas must be laughing still at the plasma joke, a sordid play on the guru feeding on disciples. Sacramento and north california are just the right places for Indian guru/yoga to suffer death by demonic cancer, wrecking a lot of victims in the process…
The solution must start with the potential victims: never ‘surrender’ to a guru. Don’t do it. If a guru can’t explain himself in five minutes sermons on videotape, stear clear. Don’t fall into the t rap of thinking that surrender of autonomy can be a path to enlightenment. Your autonomy includes your ego, but is something broader. It is not evil, and needs no control from an outer guru.
My ambivalence here was seeing the Osho entity was not on square one here. Perhaps that is a confused phantom on my part, but I kinda doubt it, despite the obvious play of confusion. Dead gurus can often prey on the desperate ‘disciple’ left out of the celebrity seeker racket and desperate to find a path. Such people need to be warned to not fall in the trap.
Here the gurus of India seem unaware of what they are doing, are creating. Best to avoid all of them. Osho in reality has made unmistakably clear what a path is, and it doesn’t require a form of kowtow to a the almight one. Unfortunately as a bhakti yoga with its mala of the master the danger is direct. That was one thing when the teacher was alive and pupils worked in his presence. But the global field of dead buddha and books is already a juicy field of profit for all sorts of gosh know what doing astral master games with honest fools doing a path in isolation….
You thought buddhas were compassionate…using spiritual rape on the down and out to create a ‘hitler’…Chogyam Trungpa began to find out…no wonder he was turned into degenerate
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The strange world of Tibetan buddhism spawned the strange figure of Chogyam Trungpa. As I look back I have to suspect he was close the the dirty secret of the Tibetan esoteric gang. I recall people in the outer culture giving away, almost, the wretched founding moment in Bouler Co and elsewhere. That was the period of bizarre new age nazis (even some jews) appearing (disconnected) briefly in tune with the dark garbage dump buddhism of the Tibetans. Never did a group have more meditations, all of which are pointless and do nothing. Escape this monstrosity…
Just as I thought…advaita in its current form is doomed…Shankara as a hindu chauvinist…
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Looking at The Advaita Worldview Anatanand Rambachan we see the expose of the real Sankara, who insisted the student must be of brahman caste…there’s more…
The Advaita movement is a process of casting the core teaching into a global field, and the issue isn’t really negotiable. Wake up: You CAN’T talk about spiritual masters and the need for surrender if their legacy is to enforce caste.
I have often been surprised at the virulence of hatred directed toward me (it comes from many directions, to be sure), but one is quite obviously my critique of hinduism and caste. New Agers fail to realize their position here, and the way it will collapse in the end. In fact Advaita is being rapidly stolen away into a global movement, so we will see what happens.
My suspicious reservations in advance (scroll down) are thus confirmed, and Shanakara is exposed as a hindu chauvinist…
I anticipated this problem and tried to show how Advaita has no intrinsic connection with hinduism. I surely predates the ‘hindu’ hybridization with Aryan ideology which will prove the destruction of Indian religion….Advaita will survive because it is not hindu…
http://www.newsweek.com/modis-india-caste-inequality-and-rise-hindu-nationalism-356734
Time to abandon Tibetan buddhism…Heil Gautama…ditto for that fart the Dalai Lama..Tell Bob Thurman to put his ‘heil hitler’ in public, more honest for a jewish front
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Almost all new age buddhists are good liberal people. The slow but steady effort to remorph such people into an unconscious antimodern fascism is the final last gasp of buddhism as historically known, in its modern gotterdammerung…I think the moral is that buddhism was very nice until the medieval period, and its modern degeneration means Gautama dissolved into final nothing, and his sangha become possessed literally by demonic entities. Demons to me are fictions of dead monotheism, but, BUT… but point to some reality we don’t understand (Gurdjieff dead is a good example, very concrete).
The idea that a medieval Tibetan kingdom could steer the future spiritual life of humanity was always unrealistic, but the actual facts are x100 worse…
Answer re: Advaita question
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I have finished as per request my quick take on Advaita: despite a shellacking from the boundaries, the core legacy is part of the ancient tradition of Indic religion, predating its appropriation and hybridization by the Aryan entry factor. Hindu commentary will refuse to accept this, but the problem should therefore be solved outside of the hindu historical nexus. I use the term hindu for the form of Indian religion that arose in the wake of the Aryan entry phase. This is distinguished from ‘santana dharma’ pointing to the long history of ‘dharmic’ religion that goes back very far, perhaps millennia.
That tradition is not properly summarized in either hindu tradition or Advaita, and has components found in Jainism and thence Buddhism, and much else.
I will stop short on this since I don’t feel confident in such a complicated discussion, but wish to exit the discussion for the moment: however, the Advaita material is a great way to clarity the issues of the path of enlightenment, if not to enlightenment, but it can induce a sense of being enlightened on the basis of intellectual understanding, not ‘enlightenment’ realization.
I will pursue this further, but my basic answer is clear, for the moment…
tiresome, but…diggng up dirt….someone else’s pasttime, but…http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html
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You might think the previous post naive, to say the least: it is the thinking of a preacher’s son who can only read about the real ‘osho’ form the exposes scratching his head :http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html
But the commune has to change gears, and the mystery realm, you might consider, is looking over preacher’s sons. The last manifestation of Osho chaos doesn’t come in a second act. So if I sound stupid, I would say, speak for yourself…
Someone out there, after I am done, has to manifest some future for the commune, if the Osho lineage is to be the world phenom it was wished to be…Be advised…the preacher’s sons are waiting in the wings, if they can decipher the riddle of Osho…digging up dirt doesn’t do it, but it is a strong obstacle in the way of the next phase of post-Osho, which must create something better than what is left now…
Your move: I think I am being pushed to move along…
To me one key is the way Osho exposed Gautama’s buddhism as creating nazism, or ur-nazism…the evidence is not legal, but I think the reality is grim, a genuine esoteric leak, and Osho just said. Fuck it, this buddha game is corrupt and has become evil, I will sink it in a final Grand Fart…
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http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html
I am not an Osho/Rajneesh apologist, but I have to put a warning next to these debunkings of Osho. I have read most of them, long ago, and have found them to be unable to get to the truth of the matter. They are right, perhaps, in their confusions: the Osho image has perverted its possible future…
Comparing Osho to Gurdjieff, Krishnamurti, Gautama, Shankara, etc… doesn’t work. Osho may have been chaos on wheels, but he was not ‘evil’ in the way that Gurdjieff was, or his imitator EJ Gold. He may have induced chaos in people, but he did not turn them into demons. He was not a hindu chauvinist like Shankara, did not produce monstrosities like Da Free John as Maharsi did. As for Jesus, well who knows…he lived long ago….And Aleister Crowley…don’t put Osho in the same category, but the terrible combinations of Osho, Crowley and Gurdjieff are coming down the pike. best to be well out of dharma disneyland at that point… People are going to start to turn Osho rascality into Gurdjieff/Crowley demonology. It would be nice if the victims could be warned and bypass the black hole. Modernity completed eliminated all this back history. People complain there, but maybe it was wise…The modern world must move to something new…
To me one key is the way Osho exposed Gautama’s buddhism as creating nazism, or ur-nazism…the evidence is not legal, but I think the reality is grim, a genuine esoteric leak, and Osho just said. Fuck it, this buddha game is corrupt and has become evil, I will sink it in a final Grand Fart… And then their was his discourse/book Beyond Enlightenment, a real puzzle.
Perhaps, as in Advaita depictions, the enlightenment experience was doomed to pass, leaving the real thing either press or not present…
Much of the cavil at the link thus misses the point. Who cares, fuck it.
Maybe…but in the same way the influence of Gurdjieff destabilized Osho, and to compare him to Krishnamurti is useless. Khrishnamurti (he reminds me of myself) was a firecracker that never went off.
Try to understand the point: if Gautama or after his parinirvana his sangha plotted esoteric fascism up to Hitler then the buddhadharma is finished. Its legacy is dead. I think Osho just went crazy at this point, and his own crypto-fascism was part of his madness. The spiritual path is lost and gone forever if disciples so-called have to suffer through charges of spiritual failure to surrender if they won’t do the Heil Hitler. That seemed absurd to me at one point, but I have realized in some shock and sadness that that is really the case, behind the scenes, and in the unconscious of many. You have to say good bye to spiritual paths of the Indic type, goodbye to all that… Let that be an hypothesis: indic dharmic paths plus buddhism are very ancient, and have reached terminal decadence. ???
I have had no connection to any of this, having lived alone all the way through, too broke to make it to India. Perhaps my good fortune…
Realizing gautama buddhism ended in fascism and worse is sowing seeds of mass insanity…even Osho going insane can’t help
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http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html
I am eager to get to the bottom of the Osho mystery and these books seem to do that, but a closer look shows still another work that would be struck down in a court of law as inadmissible evidence. Over and over good criticisms get bent out of shape into distortions. So once again we are in search of a book that can tell the truth aboutthe Osho movement.
There are a few hints this is a Christian hatchet job of some kind.
Nevertheless the book has a lot of upsetting material. Nonetheless it is my understanding that Rajneesh/Osho was enlightened. That makes the whole puzzle hard to figure…
My suggestion, which is worth considering, is that if the buddhist sangha is discovered seeding modern fascism up to nazism then Osho’s insanity is a way to exit the whole tradition.
For myself, I can’t seriously buddhist texts anymore given the state of mind emerging in the wake of Osho’s whispered expose…the revenge, it seems, was swift and deadly…
The book (online text?) did however terminate my Osho project, if it can do so twice: the Commune now is a bit corporation making millions of dollars a year. How could it be hidden background is casting about for beggars like me in desperation for its future?
I must be one of many such: the Osho entity is desperate. I have said what I have to say, not much, and I think there are better qualified commenters, but maybe not. I have a unique, but limited, perspecitve. But so do others.
If rich sannyasins need help from beggars like me they are fucked, beyond help…The whole game will fade away as a Club Med whorehouse with a nutty buddha founder…
Osho will end up a scapegoat for the crimes of Gautama…
How does that fart the Dalai Lama answer to the charge of buddhist nazism? Time to dismantle Tibetan buddhism…
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I think the question of a ‘buddhadharma’ has become irrelevant: after the fascist blowout of gautama/buddhism the issue of Osho’s continuation is of no importance. I have to wonder, given the evidence of the history (granting the useless confusion of idiots like Calder) if Osho cared whether his movement would have a future.
The critics, whom I am glad to read, should ask themselves why someone like Osho, with everything ahead of him, would have acted in the way he did. I have suggested he given up will and simply watched himself acting after that. I suggested that given the fascist confusion he saw the buddhist path as being a dead end and indicated that.
I can’t answer the question, to be sure, but I think that Osho is sending a message to the buddhists old and new, that a new way has to be found in the new era, where Osho straddles old and new. I think he saw that his holy reputation would be a joke anyway…
A statement on Osho, source lost…
My distinct impression, based on all the evidence I have examined both pro and con (and there is always the possibility that i and other critics could be wrong on certain things!), is that Rajneesh was another shooting star in the spiritual firmament, one of those strange fallen yogis who attain periods of a certain kind of “enlightened freedom.” Such persons become a source or maybe a “channel” for unusual and palpable energies, which lead mesmerized disciples to think they are in the presence of Divinity. But then sooner or later the supposed “Divine energy” diminishes, goes away or turns sour, and such figures become imbalanced and egocentrically full of themselves—narcissistic, proud megalomaniacs, and/or disturbed by one or more other mental-emotional-psychic pathologies about which the Sacred Traditions have always cautioned. Numerous such “fallen” figures abound in the annals of literature.
The path of the bodhissatwas is obsolete, dangerous and a corrupt racket…
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The path of the bodhissatwas assumes trust among good people, but esoterics and gurus/buddhas may not be good people. To take student of buddhism and ask him to defer enlightenment until everyone else reaches enlightenment is contradictory and therefore not serious, compassionate guile, or malevolent exploitation.
I think the vow is spurious: without a ‘soul’ it could never be valid. There is nothing to remind anyone in a new life, etc…
The strategy is crowd control and a confession that the buddhas don’t by and large enlighten anyone. It can however trap people into creating a mechanical church as zombie buddhists to keep the legacy alive with the founder/buddha passes beyond.
To deprive people of the potential of enlightenment subjects them to severe risk: is anyone looking after them? It is surely a vain hope.
think of some dialectical counterarguments…
This is part of my axial age critique: the mahayana is parallel to christianity, and both are passing away in the new era. The bodhissatwa vow is an ‘eternal vow’ but the history is that of an Axial Age innovation/experiment: the buck stops NOW. Such vows are going to be deleted (if they were ever recorder). What a relief!!!!
Note: a racket like the Tibetan can grant a few ‘souls’ to persist somehow over an age period and feed on the hapless bodhissatwas massproduced by sangha orgs. They have declared themselves to stay asleep forever: what a windfull, worse even than the sufi slave markets…
to be continued…
The three way (many way) system of murder is a decisive warning to stay away from or be wary of dead gurus
You can indulge in safe reading as a stranger or interested student. But the subtle suggestion to follow, surrender will soon follow. Be wary, and take a rain check, perhaps permanent…
First, I am not a psychic and can’t resolve the issues. Your main hope is for a real ‘friend’ to slip you info, hopefully not disinfo. But I have received a little help from somewhere, especially since writing Last and First Men (read the preface there and you will understand my confusion). One needs help from a source beyond the level of enlightened (so-called) men. Not easy to come by!
Surrender to ‘god’ used to be one way, but that is pretty useless at this point. In our age it is not even criminal to ‘play god’ and thus, if you had occult power, ‘answer the prayers’ of invoking devotees praying to ‘god’. the defense is gone. The whole game of ‘god’ is trash on a verbal level. The real ‘god’ needs new concepts and language…
All this is one reason Moslems are so touchy. They live closer to psychic disaster and invoke prayer for effective safety. They don’t wish to give that up for star trek reruns and Big Macs…All those demented Yankees…!
Note that most gurus aren’t psychic and fake it, unable to resolve these issues. That’s no obstacle to enlightenment. Pscyhic bullshit is a terrible distraction, unless you develop a need to know via astral attacks.
We have shown the issue discussed in Last and First Men: sufi mindcontrol making leftists attack each other. But we have seen that here in several forms, which remain unclear…It was funny for a while to be a guinea pig to show leftists how this happens. But it isn’t funny anymore and it is important to find a way out. Denouncing Osho on the web, if it shows a result, suggests ‘osho’ is involved, otherwise not. But these entities catch on. It is insane.
Are my takes on Osho about the real guy, or Gurdjieff/sufi disguised attempts to make an interested follower attack the guru/????
Can anyone clarity this? I doubt it.
The only safe approach is to be wary of all guru phenomena, ditto for sufis, with a budding reserve about Christianity/Islam (the latter I don’t know much about). Christianity is so vast, it is dysfunctional and inert, so it is hard to tell what is going on…
But it is sad that refuge in buddhism doesn’t work, at least for me (as of several years ago, given my current hostility, forget it…)
I found that ‘refuge’ real back in the midseventies to get some relief from Gold/rogue sufis but not anymore…Ditto for Osho….
THE WHOLE NEW AGE GAME is under check: you can’t create a movement where the members keep getting ripped off or murdered…A triffle off…
I am not your drone plexus carrier, Osho…go fuck yourself….the buddhas are corrupt monsters…
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I am suspicious the Osho entity is trying to asphyxiate me to produce a drone carrier of the sufi plexus. The original jewish transmitters I am hearing were stripped of all that and I am one of the few left.
Sorry, Osho, abuse of power and the whole buddha game is confusing enough.
My strategy in speaking of the sufi legacy here is to stop it, until some honest information appears in public.
I am hearing all those jewish fascists are invited into the commune, while the radical angle with communist strains is a hoax, and will be used to create drone plants to sabotage the left.
Collecting statistics on the New Age movement…how many victims of ritual sacrifice are there connected with EJ Gold? What is the sufi hyena murder rate?
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Perhaps these ‘gurus’ would care to fill out a short form…
question #1 above
what is the method of ritual sacrifice
what occult methods are involved
is the material of A. Crowley used, or is sufistic lore sufficient?
What happens to the victims in this, a next life
do sufis take control of students as drone/slaves in their next life?
further questions in the full questionaire…
Will fascists try to take control of seed plexus phenom through bribery, force, to create concealed zombie empires in the ashes of sufism?
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My strategy in speaking in public on this was a bet, if not a gamble, that talking in public about this will shut the whole subject down…Noone will be able to use if it is an issue of public expectation…
The whole game is too dangerous at this point…Keep in mind that its users are not its creators…Will we hear from the ‘demiurgic powers’ watching from afar the ruin of their ancient technology?
My advice: stay away from sufism…
I make no charges, but ask again, who’s the fuckie duckie running Trump? Someone is trying to trash american democracy…
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The list of candidates with the powers of mind control needed is short, but maybe longer than I know…
You can’t do a sufi path with vultures like Gold ripping off beginners and dupes of sufi propaganda
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Sufism is an overhyped mafia (with a hidden secret under terrifying abuse) and it is a good idea to stay well away: vultures like Gold are only the publicly known gangsters here: they use up people at a rapid rate and and are almost junkies for ‘spiritual cannibalism’.
Never submit to any sufi situation in any form, granting the majority are harmless idiocy.
The whole guru/sheik game is corrupt and needs to be abolished…
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I am getting the feeling the Osho sphere is sliding into guru corruption and naive seekers need to be warned to stay clear, and NEVER indulge in surrender games with these vultures.
The Osho sphere is puzzling; it offers no refuge and seems part of the problem, rather than the solution.
I think that the Osho sphere is dysfunctional in any case, and is certainly dangerous to me. I was lured into a queer proximity only to be attacked repeatedly…
That’s the danger of being a guru: as you pass away you leave behind something other entities can take over and abuse for their occult purposes.
Proceed alone. period.
New Agers have inflicted an immense disservice on modern culture
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By bringing the guru racket into a global sphere from its localized Indian environment where it was contained (to be fair, the buddhist sangha come first here as to globalization, and in principle the Jesus figure is a distant analog), new agers have perpetrated the agency of an immense and uncontrolled occult mafia whose action will victimize tens of thousands of innocent modernists who are not prepared to deal with gangsters concealed behind ‘holy exteriors’. The figure Anirvan, one of its indic victims, and super suckers, actually got himself in trouble by his unwitting expose of the whole racket in all innocence portraying the ‘guru superman’ as above the law in the murder of disciples (evidently punishment for dissent without due process).
It was Osho himself who exposed the connection of the buddhist sangha with nazism. The new age movement came to an end at that point, although like a chicken with its head cut off it will persist as a dead stream, especially given its financial gravy train potential.
The whole question of the ‘path to enlightenment’ will have to be rescued from those who now control, and that is in any case another issue. The whole of buddhism we should note, with its legacy of a founder, etc, was false from the start…
more on this later… we need a stronger warning as to ‘rogue sufis’…
The guru game is a corrupt racket of spiritual cannibalism
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The system is run by hidden entities who ‘invest’ in ‘enlightened’ fronts who can fuel the business..
The hidden history of buddhism in its last phase was something horribly worse…buddhism is dead…the Osho game is dead…
Stay away from all spiritual paths with legacy histories. Create your own (to ensure doing it right, make it top quality) stealth path. Paths are games with concealed rules, a guru can change them at any time to his advantage.
Or simply be aware in a stealth mode at all times: try…
Sufis need not bother to gloat. Their game is even worse….lalala, such nice poetry from Rumi…
The field of the guru racket needs to die, as Krishnamurti warned/and demanded…
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I think, in a set of contradictions, that while my original project of using Osho materials on the left has self-exposed, it remains a domain of consideration. I cede the ground to someone else, but don’t forget my warnings.
You can’t surrender the ‘will’ to a guru, a point obvious at the start,but, now screamingly obvious, on the left and expect anything but disaster.
Spiritual surrender is bullshit. and dangerous, and this blog records the danger with several cases of differing degrees of danger. You grant in principle to that entity an unopposed plunder of your core self. Fortunately few gurus understand their own subject.
This blog records almost three years of confusing attacks, from the Osho entity or the x-way system of murder. That’s the danger of surrender, especially with dead gurus: you cant find out.
People in public orgs have some protection: the deep sector can’t blow its cover. But already the realm of sufism, gurdjieff plus related entities, and indic gurus/buddhist etc have created a dangerous labyrinth. Why would anyone in his right mind consider it a spiritual duty to submit to these scumbags…
One of the original posts on this blog //rajneesh-and-the-fascist-connection
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From Calder’s essy on Osho
The last time I visited the Rajneesh ashram in Poona, India, was in 1988. The ashram was literally like a loud convention of German Brownshirts (storm troopers) by that point. Rajneesh, alias “Osho,” was still very popular in Germany, due in part to his comments in the German magazine Der Spiegel, which were widely interpreted as being pro-Hitler. Many young Germans, who were looking for a strong and charismatic leader, were thrilled by his words. Those who lost loved ones during World War II were justifiably shocked.
Even in the early 1970s in Bombay, Rajneesh made careless statements which could easily be interpreted as being pro-Hitler and pro-fascist. In one lecture on “esoteric groups” he claimed that Adolf Hitler had been telepathically propped up by an occult Buddhist group that Rajneesh himself was in contact with. During World War II it is well known that a number of Brahmin Indian yogis and Japanese “Zen masters” had supported the Axis cause and the extermination of the “inferior races,” so Rajneesh’s claim was not entirely surprising, if not totally believable.
In Poona, Rajneesh gave an infamous lecture in which he stated that Jews had given Hitler “no choice” but to exterminate them. In his last years Rajneesh declared that “I have fallen in love with this man (Adolf Hitler). He was crazy, but I am crazier still.” Rajneesh said that he wanted his sannyasins “to take over the world” and that he had studied Hitler to gain insight into how to accomplish the task. For a man who portrayed himself as the world’s smartest, highest, and greatest soul, such remarks were proof to me that his drug use had destroyed the quality of his mind.
Rajneesh’s comments about Hitler could be discounted as obnoxious but largely harmless hot air if it were not for the fact that he put many of Hitler’s techniques into practice. Rajneesh used Hitler’s “big lie” method of mind control very effectively, and he demanded total surrender from his troops (disciples). Rajneesh condoned illegal spying on his own followers and used informants to weed out the disloyal. Ma Anand Sheela, his personal secretary, turned the tables on Rajneesh by bugging Rajneesh’s trademark high-backed chair, a betrayal his “third eye” never detected. The Oregon police later found Rajneesh’s illegally taped conversations, but due to rules of evidence they could not be used against him in a court of law. The tapes were reported to be highly damning as to Rajneesh’s culpability in much of the commune’s day to day illegal activities.
Rajneesh turned many of his disciples into the equivalent of armed Brownshirts. I have received letters from several of Rajneesh’s former security guards who admitted they had fallen under the spell of fascism and now regretted their behavior and attitudes. One wrote that he did not even know how to meditate, and that the thrill of power was what kept him loyal to his great leader. In Poona, Rajneesh guards beat up an annoying local resident, his hands held behind his back as the guards pummeled him. In Oregon, Rajneesh guards were armed to the teeth with handguns and military style semiautomatic assault rifles. Rajneesh was never an admirer of Mahatma Gandhi, the great Indian pacifist, but he did have a unhealthy fascination with Adolf Hitler, as well as the United States Army General, George Patton. According to Hugh Milne (Shivamurti), Rajneesh watched the movie Patton over and over again on his big screen projection television at his ranch house in Oregon.
Mindfulness Has Gone Corporate—Why Has America Appropriated Buddhism for Capitalist Ends? | Alternet
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Most information about mindfulness is disseminated by white people, in media controlled by white people, for the primary consumption of white people.
Source: Mindfulness Has Gone Corporate—Why Has America Appropriated Buddhism for Capitalist Ends? | Alternet
Osho: A Counterfeit Guru? | Maroof Shah – Academia.edu
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In this paper it is proposed to discuss certain important points made against Osho by a battery of critics from various quarters. Osho has ever been controversial. Even the most radical mystics of his age were, generally speaking, uncomfortable with
Source: Osho: A Counterfeit Guru? | Maroof Shah – Academia.edu
Gurdjieff and the confusion over Samkhya
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Samkhya is a living spiritual path in India, but after Gurdjieff it threatens to chaotify and succumb to his tactics of muscling in on other people’s spiritualities, and the ‘wow, he’s a master’ gambit will make this plunder effective, maybe. Or maybe the tradition will resist this, as it does with predatory sufis.Let us note that Gurdjieff never had the courtesy to identity his subject as ‘samkhya’. But as Anirvan points out, that’s all it is. Gurdjieff’s approach is malevolent: take someone’s spiritual legacy, esoterize it, i.e. create an exoteric bullshit factor and obscure the subject with an esoteric claim, etc..
Next to this Bennett has produced a way out of the confusion: a clear, open, non-Gurdjieffian attempt to expound the subject in a new way, an approach that is insightful but flawed. But it can be taken as a way to allow people to defend themselves against the Gurdjieff/sufi heist.
Bennett’s approach can be distinguished from that of Gurdjieff, and taken on its own merits pro or con. We can simply discard the Gurdjieff BS/esoteric gambit. Anyone who disagrees can read Beelzebub ten more times and tell us specifically what it says re: Samkhya.
But Bennett’s DU is full of so much distraction that it is almost unusable. Plus it introduces a lot of Gurdjieff material that shouldn’t be there. The whole thing is a lost cause, but a clear discussion of the route to constructing the basic Samkhya scheme he demonstrates can be extracted and might prove useful. Noone can say that this is Gurdjieff’s property. Instant bullshit! to the face of any G groupies who try that. Gurdjieff’s ripoff of Samkhya has probably destroyed the subject for everyone.
Meanwhile, the Indian legacy of Samkhya is probably OK the way it is.
As Gurdjieff destroys trust in (esoteric) Xtianity, the doctrine of the resurrection begins to seem like a sick joke…
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Did the Resurrection Happen? (Amazon)
We are so bemused with false trust in the legacy of spiritual teachers that we end up in the clutches of the ancient deceptions that go by the name of religion. The issue of Christianity is heavily dependent on the reverence and trust we place in the legacy and its teachers. But the sudden shock of reality with someone like Gurdjieff unwittingly exposing the ‘behind the scenes’ ‘esoteric’ aspect of Christianity is a sudden warning we cannot trust this tradition, and at that point the doctrine of the resurrection suddenly becomes a question of the credibility of its founding moments. Given the criminal mendacity of figures like Gurdjieff that trust collapses and doctrines like the resurrection suddenly stand out as fraudulent…
Osho’s suspicious disbelief in the path to enlightenment
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Osho’s early writings often unload his belief that only 24 individuals would reach enlightenment in any given age period. What is the source of this belief, and what are its consequences.
For starters, one suspects competition and war among many lesser beings attempted to become one of the elect, destroying upstarts with talent who might supplant them and keeping disciples in ashrams asleep.
The whole game of ‘enlightenment’ is a botched definitional disaster.
The Truth About the Gita: A Closer Look at Hindu Scripture: V. R. Narla, Innaiah Narisetti:
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The Truth About the Gita: A Closer Look at Hindu Scripture on Amazon.com ✓
Source: The Truth About the Gita: A Closer Look at Hindu Scripture: V. R. Narla, Innaiah Narisetti: 9781616141837: Amazon.com: Books
Buddhism’s hidden flaw…the question of the demon Mara…
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The legacy records gautama’s struggle with the demon Mara: was this a myth, a belief validated by early buddhists, or a reality? Does a buddhist need to believe in this as fact or will he practice thinking this a myth?
The overall situation is a calamity of human wreckage ending up in defeat at this ‘demon’, real or not…the modern case is especially vulnerable: it’s a myth, and ‘I’ will proceed with the ‘path’ taking the key danger as a myth…so long sucker.
thanks a lot gautama, fuck you
ALL the gurus I encountered in the last forty years were fakes…an extraordinary record…the end for me (since it never had a beginning) of the path and of anything like a new age movement…
I have encountered a lot of gurus in my life and ALL were fakes. At some point, the whole game has to be questioned…
Maharishi
(E.J.Gold) a fake sufi so-called: an occultist (along with Gurdjieff), doesn’t count, cannibals…black magicians/assqassins…fascists (human sacrifice, Crowley)
the above are a reminder that sordir sufis can implant devices in the uncvonscious to feed conscious energy off unsuspecting victims/disciples…Gold was paired with a ‘doubloon’ co-something or other, the owner/sex predator/porno degenerate of the san fransciso ball: something kind of magical equilibrium duet…? ..sick yoyo sufi jokes run by hidden ‘sufis’ somewhere who knows where…
one of Gold’s students, soon to be a jewish fascist complete with nazi armbands…(never a teacher for me), blasted with heavy baraka, transient…turning a jew into a fascist and blowing his brains out with baraka is ‘cute sufism’ at is most malevolent….
I once xperienc ‘sufi baraka’ a remarkable ‘packaged enlightenment’ but the energy got ripped off, thieves of baraka, by a mysterious Mr. Mustapha whom I met for only fifteen minutes…
J.G. Bennett (an interesting philosopher however)
(Ouspensky) (Gurdjieff)? not alive in period
(Hare Krishna gang, grotesque, never visited)
(Khrisnamurti)?
Lee Lozowick
Chogyam Trungpa
Dalai Lama
Da Free John
Muktananda
(dozens of others, from reading…)?
Rajneesh
Andrew Cohen
Deepak Chopra
Bhagavan Shree Rajneesh (throw in Ozen, no contact ever)
Bhagavad Gita as a ‘guru book’: exposed many times, here and elsewhere…(check out scanned book here of Prem Nath Bazaz)
a whole crowd of pseudo-enlightenment’Advaita’ fakes
Advaita is probably a garbled version of something that might be real…
the neo-advaita crowd is simply off the wall, but their stance makes a funny sense…
I also did hatha yoga, which doesn’t count…Hatha yoga is not a spiritual practice
I have not included Shiva Puri Baba, who is a question mark who spent most of his life in the ‘forest’.
I reached ‘enlighdtenment’ as noted doing TM mantra med in 1974 (far from the ashram, with no contact with the guru). I make no hard claims for such an experience. This happened before I met any gurus.
When I began interacting with this pack of fools I regressed consistently. Gold, Da Free John, and Osho were especially dangerous…
The so-called ‘enlightenment’ was very brief…I ditched the TM method very early. I do not claim to be ‘enlightened’, the whole nonsense is useless… I have discussed the matter before. The point here is that gurus were absolutely of no help. And mantra meditation was not a cause of anything….I mention this because gurus tend to suppress consciousness…(the bodhissatwa path is one tactic to cover what is going on ) You almost certainly do better alone IF… (some big IF’s)
Since youre already enlightened (blah blah) none of this technically makes any sense…
You have to learn the lesson finally: all these gurus are fakes. Leaving the question: are there any genuinely enlightened gurus?
I fear they are exceeding rare and may not return from the ‘forest’. What happens with them is not what is peddled as ‘enlightenment’ in general
One must consider UG Khrishnamurti’s denunciation of the whole game.
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sufis have a mysterious knowledge of the (material basis of ) the soul: a tangible seed plexus ‘blob’ that is perhaps some hyperdimensional object (which can in fact be barely detected by the physiological senses). The lore is mostly unknown even to sufis but seems to have been leaked in the period of idries shah…The Gurdjieff Con » Export file for The Gurdjieff Con…help preserve this blog’s legacy: it is the ONLY document (along with Darwiniana and nemonemini.info) in existence that talks openly about the ‘big sufi secret’ of ‘soul/seed/plexus’ phenom
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Source: sufis have a mysterious knowledge of the (material basis of ) the soul: a tangible seed plexus ‘blob’ that is perhaps some hyperdimensional object (which can in fact be barely detected by the physiological senses). The lore is mostly unknown even to sufis but seems to have been leaked in the period of idries shah…The Gurdjieff Con » Export file for The Gurdjieff Con…help preserve this blog’s legacy: it is the ONLY document (along with Darwiniana and nemonemini.info) in existence that talks openly about the ‘big sufi secret’ of ‘soul/seed/plexus’ phenom
An Amazon review of osho’s Moral, Immoral, Amoral……was Osho a psychopath?
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Was Osho a psychopath? If so, it would seem quite bizarre he would indulge in ‘moralizing about moralizing’ like a second rate student of Nietzsche who never read a book of Kant on ethics. First, this series of books are from the Osho disciple sausage machine of homogenized ‘osho-ism’ so we aren’t quite sure who is speaking (there is no such book in the original Rajneesh/Poona hardback series, but there are core quotations that make discussion reasonably on track).
Was Osho a psycopath? There term is psychiatric but it seems psychiatry would not correctly assess a figure like Osho. Was Gurdjieff Beelzebub? In the latter case he admitted to being a demon. In many ways his imitator Osho appears demonic but he only confessed to being a ‘buddha’, not a demon. (Many hindus thought Buddha Gautama a demon and his path a journey into hell, and Osho charged some faction of late ‘esoteric’ buddhists with creating nazism with a drone Hitler). .But Osho’s claim to be ‘enlightened’ is subject to severe doubt such is the sheer chaos of his movement with its drug money, prostitution, and criminality, to say nothing of Osho’s drug habit and shenanigans .with his dentist. It seems Osho was apparently brazen enough to fake enlightenment (with a brief higher state of consciousness soon waning, hence the convenient talk of being ‘beyond enlightenment’) and create a neo-buddhist religion without a buddha.
If the book gets two stars instead of one it is because it is a challenge to even worse religious morality, witness the truly dreadful shambles of the Mosaic myth and its canon of commandments. Yet the latter had at least the primitive almost charming archaism of a primitive Canaanite world making a first attempt at a monotheistic moral law. in the context of the barbarism of child sacrifice (whose dilemmas (?) persist into the Old Testament. The christians quickly sensed a problem and attempted one of the first universal principle corrections with the theme of love.
The Osho answer is another stab at a universal one-liner in a brand of ‘new agey’ jargon: consider the blurb on the back cover: ‘I don’t say cultivate morality, I say become more conscious and you will be moral…’ We should note there is a further contribution here by another Osho must have imitated, Crowley, with his ‘do what thou will …’ (with a love lemma thrown in). The apotheosis here must be Crowley’s sacrifice of a frog, hey, do not what thou wilt…please…
The world has mored into a reformation beyond ‘buddhas’ perhaps, if Osho is no buddha and cannot think through the issues of morality. Let us note the large moral baggage of buddhism, and the indic/yogic priniciple of karma. The doctrines of Karma are inchoate yet have suffered a strong rebuttal from a number of new age ‘gurus’ who have declared there is no such thing as ‘karma’. But the realm of advaita perhaps rightly points to the possibility of some kind of ‘imprint’ of action in one life passing into the next at the level of some deeper aspect of self (in the usual muddle of concepts here): but then what is the canon of karmic judgment (our version can avoid this). This complicates the question with kantian unknowables as metaphysics, which doesn’t mean they are wrong, But the issues are now too complex for resolution: we must resolve the issue of soul, reincarnation, and the nature of the ‘between lives’ bardo and its relation to questions of physics. Small wonder we seek refuge, in vain, in one liners from the ‘Prophet’. Osho’s one liner is clearly another muddle: we can’t define what we mean by ‘conscious’, And we can’t therefore resolve the question of who is a buddha. And we are stuck finally with the ambiguity of who is a buddha, and further the ambiguity of what happens to buddhas after they die, and what relation religious movements, with their ersatz moralities, have to dead ‘founders’ (who may or may not be buddhas). It is said that ‘buddhas’ pass beyond the realm of existence and rebirth but we can’t be sure of this and we can’t assess whether these ‘entities’ don’t still interact with worldly beings: if they do they can’t have surpassed existence,
We confront the buddhas equivalent of covert agent psycopaths with a license to kill.
Osho in chapter 3 actually comes out and states that murder and rape are only wrong if they are done without awareness, and that’s new age nonsense from a horse’s ass claiming to be a buddha.
Imagine civil society on such a principle: these yogis have spent too much time renouncing the world and living in a forest. Civil society does not compute. But Osho is the worse for not renouncing anything and grafting a spurious buddhist canon onto capitalist free for all.
It is ironic that a rascal like Nietzsche sensed the problem but then got it wrong because he was stuck in scientism: why would these would be buddhas trust his judgment in a spurious modernism grafted on to ancient legacies, this without reading what Nietzsche is referring to: Kant, how in one way was the first man in history to see an answer: the categorical imperative, a logical act of mind deliberating acts of will. No doubt Nietzsche though he saw beyond Kant, but this seems doubtful. We should be wary even of kantian one liners, but surely Kant got one part of the issue right, a true historical first. Kant was no saint, nor a prophet, but a philosopher (perhaps that’s a relief, but he may have violated his own imperative). Unfortunately his work is not really a canon of ethics in practice and is still somehow primitive or incomplete (note the confusion over lying in a classic critique of Kant) but it is perhaps the first partially successful approach to the incoherence of religious morality, to which we should add the new age Osho style canon. Again, the problem is the ambiguity of the term conscious, and fallacy that some kind of mindfulness exercise makes anything you do ‘OK’.
Crowley (and better Gurfjieff, or else his student Bennett) at least got one thing right: the issue is not consciousness, but ‘will’. Which is what?
The universal muddle of ethics is not surprising: we have no real understanding of the ‘will’. Science can’t find it, can’t discuss ‘free will’, but neither can the ‘buddhas’ who are stuck on consciousness and negate or deny the will. But Crowley’s ‘will’ is based on a suspicious practice resembling the path to enlightenment. And this climatically results by report in some explosion as the Will. But the spurious texts such as the canon of Abramelin the Mage, a scrofulous text that Crowley himself admits attracts the entrance of ‘demons’. The path to the will can also be warned of as leading to the mass production of demons.
Perhaps Crowley’s naivete can be corrected by the view of Bennett (The Dramatic Universe) in his systematic study of the ‘will’ on all scales with its careful distinction of the mechanical self, the conscious/pseudo True Self (ambiguously doubloon), the True Self, the Individuality, and more beyond that. The consciousness of the pseudo self, the true self, and the individuality potentially resolve the confusions but still don’t solve the issue of ethics. Some future science, neuroscience, some kantian revision, more intelligent of that rascal huck finn Nietzsche, and a post-buddhist practive without caudillo buddhist gangsters, and we can see a new man emerge for the first time with a real consciousness and morality…
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