Email exchange re: Gurdjieffianity

Re: Your comments welcome
From: Nemonemini
To: paulbains7@
Date: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 3:38 pm
Interesting. If you wish to contribute some posts let me know. I am in a strange position with Gurdjieff
and like Ouspensky dig up dirt, the not nice behavior of the implacable quarrel. But Gurdjieff (as with my essay Samkhya, listed at the blog) produced a notable
rabbit from a sufi hat: the curious connection of multiple subjects in relation to samkhya. That essay is linked to at the blog.
I also blog at, on radical etc..issues. Time for socialists to plot against the gov, n’estce pas?

As far as Rajneesh goes, he thought about Gurdjieff a lot, but in the end was critical.
If Rajnesh wasn’t even enlightened it is hard to see his critique of G.
He replied to one of your letters? Post the info at the blog.
Rajneesh pronounced Gurdjieff a failure and I have to wonder.
All of his students end up in dead ends, true believers in the enneagram
and much other nonsense from G, and they never realize it is just a brand of advertising.
They end up not even studying meditation and just end up sad sacks.

Bennett laid the whole thing out, and the other poster here is reading DU.
DU contains some interesting stuff, and you can see what Gurdjieff had hoped to do,
but he couldn’t bring it off. Bennett does better, but he never really achieved deep consciousness
(many will deny, so, how would I know?)
Anyway, I learned early on in the seventies that something was wrong: honest people
were pushed aside while criminals got dosed with baraka. I couldn’t fathom that til
I saw the connection with neo-fascist movements.
It was Rajneesh who spilled the beans: he actually blamed the ‘buddhists’ for Hitler.
I found that impossible to fathom. But once I saw second hand mind control from people ‘
like Gold the manufacture of a Hitler seemed well within the realm of the possible.
Scary, and it kind of leaves your new age love beads dangling.
the ‘deep’ buddhists, not the honest faithful, have had centuries to
develop sneaky stuff, and the passage to Tibet after the massacres by Hindus
buddhists embraced a kind of himalayan dark side that is beyond creepy in a strange
revenge. G traversed all that terrain, from the Caucasus to Tiber, and I presume Afghanistan.
Rajneesh, and I missed that, actively promoted fascist memes, in a sort of jaunty style of his,
to make people not suspect, yet soak up some strange stuff.

I thought the whole thing just crazy, but not with the resurgence of fascism, what to say of dupes
like Trump, I can see the seeds germinating from the second phase of new age fascism. (the first is
some unknown source in the nineteenth century with Tibet one of the ‘ususal suspects’)
Trump is a strange case, until you consider that he seems to be doing ‘fascism lite’
on the way to something really dark.
What are these gurus prone to fascism?

anyway, enough. I may post his…
The first years of The Gurdjeff Con are lost now, but I rescued a lot of the archives
and made them into Kindle books. But they are hard to fathom for most.
I am surprised you read my autobio, it was originally a blog, and the file
now is chaotic. I may try to fix it up.

I think our generation is looking to the past, but only briefly,
a new spirituality for the future is needed, but the current
brands are too perverted to stand. So we shall see…

I have ended up promoting raja yoga, a serious joke:
after all the fancy esoteric stuff, raja yoga is an old standby,
boring, cliched, and mostly ignored by hatha yoga idiots.
Raja yoga however was a public resource that has helped
more than almost any other method. I am kidding, but not kidding.

I will cross post this to the other poster, our DU man…

—–Original Message—–
From: paulbains7@
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Your comments welcome

Yes. πŸ™‚ I do recognise intelligence when I see it…but I’ve been around too…..:)

I visited Poona briefly in 79. He answered a written question of mine about G and ‘kundalini’ lol. It’s printed somewhere….
I read yr autobio….



On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:07 PM Nemonemini wrote:

Thanks for you feedback, which sets up a situation for discourse.
My stance on Gurdjieff is very harsh but this has a long history.

Don’t be afraid of commenting further.

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